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Niroth · Jun 30, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Hey guys-

Sorry if all sorts of people come in and post this same topic, read a few pages of the forums and didn't see much, feel free to send me off to some other topic though if its been said

Right now I'm a WoW player and while I enjoy the PvE of the game where i truly have fun in online games is the human competition (probably why i still revert to WC3 and UT quite often) and as you may or may not know in WoW it can take quite a bit of time, despite being better than some other games, to get up to snuff and have some real level 60 PvP fun.

I have been looking at GW because it reminds me of one of my favorite old MUDs where there was much less grinding than many others and the PvP victors would be based largely on the skill of the player, rather than the amount of time spent grinding somewhere. I know GW obviously has some grinding, it is just a part of the genre but my question is whether one can have fun in the PvP game of GW without 200 hours of bunny rabbit slaying.

If I purchased the game I would certainly start out with the PvE to get the gist of it but would then probably want to switch to mostly PvP, are the non GvG arenas layed out in some way that newer, weaker players are in certain arenas and the better vets are in others, or do you esentially get your head handed to you on a plate 300 times before returning to PvP for another 50 hours of skill-finding? Also, is it reasonable to find guilds that are more casual? (I would assume given the # it must't be to bad?).

Thanks a lot,
Niroth

DrSLUGFly · Jun 30, 2005, 02:08 PM // 14:08

you can now!!

look for a thread about the new update

now, shoo, off with you youngling!

PvP is quite fun, I haven't done it much myself. But when you play PvE there are loads of opportunities for PvP as you level. At the end of the *starter map* you get your first taste of random PvP, and then in the first *real map* there's a PvP arena that you can participate in until you hit level 10 or 11. By then you'll almost be at the next major city where there is another arena. There's one in every city so you can keep competing on par with your PvE level.

As for end-game PvP, I've only heard about it. Legends of the Hall of Heroes (like Valhalla) where the great warriors go when they die. Because of how you beat the game, you get access as well and fight for the favor of the gods! The coolest part is (in my not-humble opinion) that when you win the favor of the gods, all the PvE players on your server (korea, us or europe) get special privileges!

Black Forsaken · Jun 30, 2005, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by Niroth

Hey guys-

Sorry if all sorts of people come in and post this same topic, read a few pages of the forums and didn't see much, feel free to send me off to some other topic though if its been said

Right now I'm a WoW player and while I enjoy the PvE of the game where i truly have fun in online games is the human competition (probably why i still revert to WC3 and UT quite often) and as you may or may not know in WoW it can take quite a bit of time, despite being better than some other games, to get up to snuff and have some real level 60 PvP fun.

I have been looking at GW because it reminds me of one of my favorite old MUDs where there was much less grinding than many others and the PvP victors would be based largely on the skill of the player, rather than the amount of time spent grinding somewhere. I know GW obviously has some grinding, it is just a part of the genre but my question is whether one can have fun in the PvP game of GW without 200 hours of bunny rabbit slaying.

If I purchased the game I would certainly start out with the PvE to get the gist of it but would then probably want to switch to mostly PvP, are the non GvG arenas layed out in some way that newer, weaker players are in certain arenas and the better vets are in others, or do you esentially get your head handed to you on a plate 300 times before returning to PvP for another 50 hours of skill-finding? Also, is it reasonable to find guilds that are more casual? (I would assume given the # it must't be to bad?).

Thanks a lot,
Niroth

I enjoy bunny Rabbit slaying..... Well to tell the truth with the new patch you can go the 0 grinding way or the beat the game way (100 hours but thats including PvP time and farming and stuff like that). With the new patch if you make a PvP char to begin with then you will have a lvl 20 sucky premade, but if you somehow get into a eally good guild....Then you wont really have to PvE at all. GvG gives a good number of Faction stuff soo you could unlcok skills ithout the PvE aspect. Its unlikely you will get into a guild thats good enough tho. So I'd suggest finding a good build for a PvP char (whatever class you want) and then just do the storyline up to the point where you have unlocked your skills...Use the guild wars site to help you with its interactive map and the places where the skills are it makes things alot easier

Niroth · Jun 30, 2005, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Thanks for the advice guys, Sounds good... the one other question i was curious about that I forgot was how essential is something like Teamspeak? I've gone years making fun of the CS-Kiddies who went so far as to sit in their rooms yelling to their teamates, it would pain me a bit to sink to that, even if I do see the benefits

Episodicfreak · Jun 30, 2005, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Teamspeak isn't essential. I know we've been on a public server when we were inbetween servers, and it was absoltue hell because of the kiddies screaming at one another in the pvp arenas instead of fighting. It's good to get along tactics-wise though. But we did fine for well over a month without it.

Black Forsaken · Jun 30, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29

It isn't essential for PUGs escepially my guild uses it in GvG tho

Weezer_Blue · Jun 30, 2005, 02:58 PM // 14:58

You must be thinking of Guild Wars during the beta. During the beta, it was fun and fast paced and skill based and had no grind, etc. All the ads on the GW site were true. If you look closely, you'll see that there's some fine print that says "these advertisements are false and/or only apply to the beta testing period". If you thought Guild Wars was a PvP game, or that Arena.Net even cares about it's PvP crowd anymore, you were decieved. Don't waste your money. Go buy an RTS or an FPS, as Guild Wars is no longer the pinacle of RPG PvP.

Episodicfreak · Jun 30, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

/sigh.

People mostly seem to join these forums to whine. If you take a look at most of the players, they're happy with the game, as I am (and a lot of other people are by the way the stats are going..). It still looks and plays as well. And I can imagine this will get turned into another thread about how arenanet aren't doing what all the whiners here want, but if you look at it, it's not even been out 3 months yet, so there's obviously still going to be some tweaking and adjustment. SO STOP WHINING. AND IF YOU'RE SO SICK OF THE GAME, GET OFF THE BOARDS INSTEAD OF SPAMMING IT WITH YOUR USELESS DRIBBLE. Please.

Be constructive, not just damning.

Acan Vishnu · Jun 30, 2005, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Its not a perfect game, as you can see there are some who would prefer it to be different than it is, but overall it is a good game. The combat is fairly fast-paced and lets you use at least some higher brain functions to perform optimally.

The random PvP stuff doesn't really have any scaling, but you can do well with an organized team. There really isn't any segregation in it, but the upside to that it gives a world-wide feel to the tournaments, if you win the tournament you didn't just beat some of the best people competing on your server, but in the world

I've logged a couple hundred hours between all my characters, doing PvE and PvP alternately, and I'm still satisfied and keep coming back for more. If you realize that this is a game designed to mix both PvP and PvE, than I can say that you probably won't be disappointed